Sept. 12, 2025
Jeff Jenkins And The Weight Of Representation
Send us a text What does it mean to carry the weight of representation as a fat, Black traveler on the global stage? In this episode of Big Sexy Chat, Chrystal and Merf sit down with Jeff Jenkins, award-winning travel and food personality, speaker, podcast host, and creator of Chubby Diaries. Jeff is also the former host of Never Say Never with Jeff Jenkins on National Geographic, where he brought inclusive, joyful storytelling to audiences worldwide We dive into: Jeff’s journey from persona...
What does it mean to carry the weight of representation as a fat, Black traveler on the global stage? In this episode of Big Sexy Chat, Chrystal and Merf sit down with Jeff Jenkins, award-winning travel and food personality, speaker, podcast host, and creator of Chubby Diaries. Jeff is also the former host of Never Say Never with Jeff Jenkins on National Geographic, where he brought inclusive, joyful storytelling to audiences worldwide
We dive into:
- Jeff’s journey from personal travel diaries to global advocacy for fat travelers.
- The realities of airline seats, resort furniture, and clothing access - and the small fixes that make a world of difference.
- How representation in media and tourism changes not just experiences, but lives.
- Jeff’s philosophy on confidence, self-acceptance, and finding joy outside your comfort zone.
- What’s next: new projects, a documentary in the works, and his mission to humanize fat people worldwide.
This conversation is about more than travel; it’s about visibility, belonging, and the power of living fully in your body, wherever you are.
🔗 Connect with Jeff Jenkins:
- Website: chubbydiaries.com
- Instagram: @chubbydiaries
- Facebook: Chubby Diaries Travel
- YouTube: Chubby Diaries
- LinkedIn: Jeff Jenkins
- Pinterest: Chubby Diaries
- TikTok: @chubbydiaries
🎧 Tune in and feel the weight of representation transform into fat joy.
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00:00 - Meeting Jeff Jenkins: Travel Trailblazer
08:47 - Finding Fat Joy While Traveling
15:31 - Navigating Airlines as a Plus-Size Person
29:08 - Adventure Activities for Fat Bodies
36:07 - Future Projects and Community Service
40:09 - The Power of Self-Acceptance
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Welcome back to Big Sexy Chat, the show where fat joy knows no bounds.
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Today we are beyond excited to have a truly inspiring guest with us Traveler, storyteller and host of Never Say Never on National Geographic the one, the only, Jeff Jenkins.
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From chubby diaries to breaking barriers in the travel industry, Jeff brings joy, representation and a whole lot of adventure everywhere he goes.
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Let's dive in.
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Hey, you made it.
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You're just in time for a little something juicy with Crystal and Murph, or a little something juicy with Crystal and Murph Talking fat Sex, big feels, hot Takes and kinks.
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We're breaking all the rules, babe.
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What you think it's big Sexy change.
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Say it back now.
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Big Sexy change.
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Let's go Sexy Chat.
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I'm Crystal and I am so excited today to have a very special guest with us today, someone whom I've been following for years and years, it feels like, but Jeff Jenkins.
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Hi, jeff, hello, hello, I'm excited to be here today, thank you, and my gorgeous and beautiful, amazing co-host, murph hi.
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Murph hi, I make sure my phones are off all the vibration, literally all the vibrating things need to be off y'all.
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So, jeff, welcome, so excited.
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I've been a big fan of yours haha, I am big, I'm a fat fan of yours and your show.
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Never say never.
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And I love your, your diaries, chubby diaries, forever and ever, and just so happy to have you.
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Thank you so much for coming with and joining us today.
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Of course, I'm glad to be here, seriously, at 8 am on a Saturday.
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Saturday is, if you knew me, you know this is challenging.
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So tell us what is going on with you.
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You are everywhere.
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I see you.
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I guess I follow a lot of fatties and fat bloggers and all that stuff.
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I do follow the other fat travelers, but you are everywhere.
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These days it seems like.
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Yeah, I mean, that was the plan.
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Yes, you're doing it, it was getting started.
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But to me right now, like my biggest thing, like there's so much going on in the world and it's like always like moving, like it's so much uncertainties in a lot of ways, and right now I'm just trying to figure out how to navigate all of that, but then also how to serve, uh, even for the people that even might feel even more marginalized.
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I want to be able to serve those communities as much as possible and that that is us uh, plus us community, uh, people of color.
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Like I really want to make sure that I am serving us and then also bringing some joy and some hope into an through my entertainment on social media and things like that as well.
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And I have multiple projects that are in the pipeline to tackle some of the things that are, tackle some of the challenges that plus size people have in the travel space, but then also just curating events for everyone else as well.
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Speaking of fat joy and you are so joyful, so that's one of the joyful things.
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One of the first things I noticed about you is how much joy you're filled with and you could just it's coming off the screen into my living room.
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I'm like this he embodies fat joy, and Tigress and I are organizing a fat joy event here in San Jose October 19th, and we're talking about this is how I say it we're not letting that MF-er steal our joy, our fat joy, and she's going to do a talk about how to create and retain your fat joy, even while fighting the power, which is what we all have to do right now.
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So you're right, there's so much uncertainty it's on every level so much uncertainty and that makes people really kind of like shrink right.
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We're not shrinking.
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We're not shrinking.
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How long have you been comfortable with the word or identifying as fat?
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I'm comfortable with it.
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I just don't say it often.
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I think it's for me what I do only because of like the branding of stuff.
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I think in this like, even in our sphere, like like it or not, sometimes that work can come off problematic and when it comes down to when I'm normally using it, in my branding I usually don't say fat, I usually say plus size, only because I'm trying to reach as many people as possible.
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But I love the word fat diaries that I even accepted and embraced calling myself or just using the word fat and liberating myself from just whatever negative notions that I had around fat, the word fat.
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When you were starting this process, did you have a situation or a traveling experience that really built your confidence as a fat person?
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Was there like one thing that kind of stands out to you?
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Nope, you know, to me I always, just always, I just I knew I was fat, so right, like I just knew it.
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I mean I've been it forever, forever and um, but I was like I traveled so much and and it was like I'll be looking through my 20 years of traveling now are about to be 20 years.
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Um, I was like a while ago I was like I don't see a lot of fat people traveling like me.
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And I was like, and I know that we're there in America.
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Why is it that I'm going international and I barely see anybody?
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I'm usually the largest person from America every time I go somewhere.
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And so I was like, hmm, what's up with this?
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Like what's going on?
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And so I think that's that thing that I had for myself of.
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Like my cousin helped me realize, like why don't you just share your experience?
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Like you don't realize it, but there's probably a whole bunch of plus size people, fat people, that want to hear your experience.
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Like you don't realize it, but there's probably a whole bunch of plus size people, fat people, that want to hear your experience.
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Like how are you navigating this?
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And maybe I was lucky, maybe it was just like from a young age I've been able to just travel so much that I don't even think I thought of some of these things as being challenges or obstacles, and so me being able to share those experiences is what got me excited to be like oh wait, I can't talk about this.
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And you have asked yourself that question of like I don't see fat people traveling as much as you and like, and so I always where I'm at today and where I was at before was all about problem solving.
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Like, what is the problem?
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Like, why is this happening?
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How can I help bring solutions to problems?
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And then I was able to find that out by just me sharing my experiences that there's a lack of accessibility and comfort and inclusion within the travel space, so many problems to overcome.
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when you're traveling as a fat person, it's wild.
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You and your wife travel together a lot.
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You know here at big sexy chat we kind of lean towards the sexy.
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So have you all been able to find some like romantic travel places that felt like super romantic, just felt like a great time to really have more me time, our time, the time the two time with my kids.
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You get eight in the morning, time for the two of you and your, your relationship Are there sexier?
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places that you guys really enjoy traveling to?
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Um, well, we've had multiples, I don't know.
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I would say Fiji.
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Fiji was one.
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Um, italy, uh, definitely Italy.
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Italy, costa Rica I think we love some tropics, anything tropical.
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That's where we get.
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I feel like that makes us both feel alive and things like that.
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I'm fond of talking about hot hotel sex.
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We don't have to go there, but vacation sex, hotel sex, oh it's the best.
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But yeah, Italy he found Italy to be very romantic.
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And Costa Rica, because that's really high on my list of places.
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I want to go Costa.
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Rica is fun, fun times.
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And I was like Oaxaca or not Oaxaca, lord, that's in Mexico, but Oaxaca Oaxaco is the name of it and so to be able to go out into, like the rainforest and where we did the ATVs through the rainforest waterfall, you just feel so like a kid and there's so much like jovialness in that.
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Joy, fat joy, I love it.
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Yes jovialness in that joy, fat joy.
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I love it.
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Yes, when you're traveling with your wife and and kind of looking at destinations, have you found um, like resorts or places that have been really inclusive in terms of um, you know, like the furniture or the things like that, any, any neat places like that?
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um, yeah, I mean, in some ways I I can't tell if they're intentional or what, but yeah, like I mean, sometimes it's the designer, like the designer of that hotel, that actually brings in armless chairs that work for me.
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But I think one of the biggest things for me is being married to a woman who's not fat and her being able to understand some of my challenges and obstacles that I face, and her being able to try to accommodate me even when we're in a place, Like she knows that sometimes these beds be jacking me up, and so I'm going to go sit in the chair how tall are you, jeff?
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I'm six foot, right at six foot and so I'll be in the bed and I have to go switch over, or she'll allow me to be on one side, or whoever.
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But yeah, we have our routine just to make sure that I'm accommodated well.
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That's great.
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It's like having an advocate with you.
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You know an ally that can speak to it.
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So if you're getting somebody with an attitude or something like that, she can kind of step in and neutralize stuff.
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For sure, for sure, that's awesome.
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I have the same counterbalance with my partner too.
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He doesn't really have to worry about things, but he worries about things for me.
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You haven't really had a really bad travel experience.
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So you go somewhere where the toilet's so close to the wall that you have to sit sideways on it.
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Oh my gosh, that's often yeah, you see that a lot, especially in Europe, when you go to.
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Europe and places it's the pits it really is.
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But I also have found places where now I've learned how to ask for different rooms at times, and I've even heard that people have told me some of these different like some rooms might be shaped different and they'll try to put you in that room that has like a larger, like wall toilet area.
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That's awesome.
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Do you find that, because you're going all over the world, right, there's so many issues with finding clothing in our sizes, and so when you're packing what has been your experience going to places where you're trying to find extra clothes Say like, oh, I only brought a couple pairs of underwear and I needed more.
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What has that been?
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like In the 20 years of me traveling.
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I think the first trip I went on was to Japan and knew some tiny people and ever since that moment I made sure I had everything I needed.
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So there's no trip that I go on to where I can't wash some clothes or do whatever, even if I got to go use the sink.
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Have you ever had a lost suitcase?
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Because that's my fear, like holy shit if they lose my suitcase.
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Never lost.
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Delayed but never lost.
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Because, yeah, if they do that, I won't be able to buy any clothes.
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I'll just have to wear the same thing the whole entire time.
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And not to be a buzzkill, but I talk about this a lot when there's big emergencies or things like Katrina, for example, or other things like that.
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Fat people are so screwed so many different ways, but when you are fat, you can't just run out and get a whole new wardrobe if all your wardrobe floated down?
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the lake Fat people just do not get considered and you can't just go rent any store like they can.
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I'm glad you said that, thank you, I mean, you're totally right and I think that's an easy fix in some ways.
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And I think in some ways some people don't actually advocate for it or talk about it enough, and I think that's something.
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Well, I don't even know where FEMA is these days.
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Yeah, there's that.
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I think that's something that should be added and that's one thing that I would even say.
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So, through my journey and I don't even know if y'all have been asking this question, but through my journey of just advocating for fat people in the travel space, a lot of times I've heard, and I genuinely feel it, I genuinely feel that these like CEOs and leaders of these companies literally don't think about the plight of plus size people at all, Like it's just not even in their brains, Like they're, they know, like, oh well, it's made for these people.
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They don't think about us at all.
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And, um, I remember having one CEO one time, a really popular company.
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He cried because he said man, I've been getting on planes for so long and he said I'll see a fat person get on the plane and I'll just start thinking to myself like, oh, how uncomfortable I'm going to be, or even how this person is going to make somebody else uncomfortable on this plane.
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And he said it wasn't until I talked to you that I thought about, oh wait, what about that person?
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Like how uncomfortable they are to get on this plane?
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And he just cried.
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Like he actually just cried because he was like man, I think I don't even think.
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I thought of you as a human in some ways and I was like that is something that I've always ran into, and so I've been trying to bring the awareness and I keep telling people like man, humans are innovative, Like one.
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If we're talking about planes right now, we fly in the air.
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There's hundreds of people on these planes, all this cargo, and then don't get me with the military stuff they put other planes, helicopters, cars, all of these things.
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So I was like there's no way that y'all cannot make some things or be innovative enough to create new seedings and things like that for, and make it more accommodating for, a plus size.
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And instead we're kind of going backwards in that yeah it is Because Southwest Big Jack oh man, it's getting out of there.
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Everything in the world is regressing.
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It's really terrible.
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So what about people ever like?
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Do they actually ever say anything to you about your body or your blackness or your fatness?
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Do they ever make any rude comments to you about your body or your?
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your blackness or your fatness?
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Do they ever make any rude comments to you?
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You know, not in person microaggressions oh wait, a lot of microaggressions I get caught on time you know when I'm in asia or, uh, africa, a lot of times.
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Well, not not all of africa, because, like south, south africa, um, I think that it is man, there's a lot of fat people there, like a lot of plus size people.
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It is like very like, oh hey my people are fat, how you doing so.
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You talk about like armless chairs.
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Nowhere Like you can find clothes for our size there.
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It's very cool, but in like Asia I'll go, just like Asia.
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Or I remember there was one time in Croatia.
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I felt like in Croatia it was the only time I've gotten.
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I can see the microaggressions and then I can see people's faces.
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It was the way that they were treating me.
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It was very interesting, it was.
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But yeah, I think it's just nobody says it to my face and then I also have this killer personality.
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You can be a bigot and I promise you I'm going to woo you over.
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I don't know how it works, it just works.
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We talk about that a lot, about performing.
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I'm cheerful, I'm joyful, I'm happy, I'm smiley, so I can sort of hopefully deflect or maybe negate any bullshit coming my way.
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For sure, I'm just like, I'm on, I miss personality, and I'm going to win you over.
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It gets exhausting, though, isn't it?
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It does, it does, but I would say it's my superpower and it is so natural to me, and my whole family is like this, to where it's not as exhausting as it would be, because even with my wife she only got a couple of smiles in her.
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She hey, how you doing, guys, that's my partner and she's on Like, when I tell you the amount of recouping time she needs, it's just like oh.
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Oh, you're with an introvert, your wife's an introvert.
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Yeah, oh, big time.
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Yeah, my partner too.
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He needs a lot of recharging time.
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The battery gets really low really fast.
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It's a good little balance to have you be the extrovert, then be the introvert for sure.
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Would you say that there's, um, you know a an issue with the industry not listening to plus size travelers now, like we've seen that flip with Southwest and things like that.
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Have you seen that more in the recent years?
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Like that it's kind of changing.
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No, no, I think it just stayed the same.
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In some ways I felt like there may be just a little bit of progress.
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You thought was happening and it still is.
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I still think it is.
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And even with Southwest like I'm going to be honest, like it almost sounds unpopular as an opinion, but it isn't Like they did not take away the policy at all.
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The policy is still there.
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I think it's still industry leading and it's the most accessible or the most fat-friendly policy still there.
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The only thing that they did that I'm really disappointed by is that they tightened up how the refunds work and I think best case scenario, the fight doesn't sell out and you still get that extra seat.
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But I also I started doing the math and I actually think I'm going to make a post about this.
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Southwest is so expensive these days.
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They have not been cheap for a very long time.
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Nope, right, I'm going to try to get two seats from there, seats from there.
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I've learned that now because in my brain, trying to do basic economy on one of the legacy brands like Delta or someone like that, and I was like, oh, my brain was like I can't do that because it's a small seat, but you start finding out their prices are amazing like $130 round trip to where I can go buy two of those tickets and still pay less than a Southwest ticket.
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So Southwest has been doing stuff to themselves that's not friendly to anybody, in anybody's pocket, so I'd rather just go buy two tickets from Delta and call it a day.
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I literally just bought husband because we live in California.
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From Sacramento to LA on American Airlines First class was cheaper than Southwest Come on, come on I just was like are you kidding me?
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This is wild.
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I don't know what they're doing and so and cause that's the other thing I'm I'm just to even get the refund.
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If I had to go buy two tickets, I'm not spending what it would cost to go, just fly first class, and I fly first class a lot.
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So it's one of those things where it's just like.
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I'll tell you, if you want a bang for your buck and you want the most, the cheapest first class seats you can get is on Spirit.
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I thoroughly enjoy it.
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I fly it still now.
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Like, I still fly them Like and to me, I think, most of the like if you use the app and you can use your Spirit app.
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Well, spirit actually is the only flight that like, they have the least amount of delays and cancellations.
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Uh, or they're top now.
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Um, that was last year's thing, I don't know what this year's is.
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But they also like if you use your app and you can do so much in the app to where, like, most people's problems with, uh, with Spirit, uh, you can handle most of that in the app.
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But then also they have their big boy seats in the front and those are first-class seats, just like when I'm on American or Delta.
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It's the same exact seat and you get all the space in that seat and most, I promise you I think the most I've ever spent on one of those flights was like $500, $540.
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And there's no first class flight I can get for $540.
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And, like you say, southwest, I would have spent that easily on just to sit in one seat.
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So don't forget Charging to check your bag.
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And yeah, it was interesting going on Southwest.
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Just recently I came back from a conference and things are changing and now they're going to have assigned seating and that starts in January, I think.
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And yeah, I just was like, okay, it's time to start looking.
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So Spirit has been really positive.
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What does their first class look like, other than just the extra room for seating?
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Yeah, it's usually just the first two rows and yeah, it's like the leg room, the seating.
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I think it comes with drinks and snacks included now, because that wasn't even a thing before, but now they include it.
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It comes with the two free bags two free bags and the carry on so you can take like multiple things on there.
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So it's to me it's one of the best deals period in any airline and it gets you to the places you need to get to.
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I had no idea, yeah, I'd never have an issue with them Till this day.
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I remember when I first flew them and trying to stay in the line and get our ticket printed.
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But once the app came out and the app, like the app makes everything easy and I and I would say this just for everybody uh, using the airline apps might be the best thing that you can do, like because a lot of times people say they have a lot of issues, especially if they got to read book stuff.
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Uh, I see people don't use them enough.
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Um, and you can get almost all your stuff answered and flights changed by just using these airline apps and going through their whole like text message thing that they have.
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It's easier than talking to somebody, that's awesome.
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Yeah, I had no idea.
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You see so many memes of the Spirit Airlines being like you know the budget, good luck if you get there.
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You know, like those kinds of things.
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And it's unfair.
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I do think it's unfair.
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Now, the people that be on the flight sometimes that might be another story Like but the airlines themselves.
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I think they're fine.
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I think, yeah, that's unavoidable right now with what?
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We're experiencing.
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You've both flown first class before, I haven't, so are the seats like literally inches wider.
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Are they bigger seats?
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Yeah, it feels like the seats that you're like a regular seat that we normally are in, like that office chair like you.
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You get your spacing Like it's.
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Oh, I, I.
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When I tell you the lack of anxiety I got the first time I sat.
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