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On this episode of Big Sexy Chat, we're joined by the incredible Sherri Winston, award-winning author, holistic sexuality teacher and founder of the Intimate Arts Center.
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Get ready for a juicy deep dive into anatomy, arousal, foreskin facts and how to become an erotic virtuoso at any stage of life Without further ado, breaking all the rules.
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Babe, what you think it's Big Sexy Chat, say it back now.
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Big Sexy Chat.
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Hi y'all, welcome back to Big Sexy Chat or, if you are new here, welcome to Big Sexy Chat to you as well.
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And you can always find us on our website, bigsexychatcom and all the socials.
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But welcome, new and old, and welcome to Murph.
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Hi, murph, hi, nice to see you in your pinkness.
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And also, we have a special guest today.
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Welcome to Sherry.
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Hi, Sherry Hi.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Sherry winston, yes, coach, author, educator, sex educator.
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Uh, you were a doula, you said, or a midwife I was a midwife I'm actually a certified nurse, midwife, gynecology practitioner, registered nurse, licensed massage therapist uh, I think I forgot something.
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Is that all?
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Well, then I became a holistic sexuality teacher.
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That's an official title.
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You underachiever you.
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I know, there we go.
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Welcome to our club, anyway, so nice to have you, murph.
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I was saying earlier, sherry and I go back, at least in our emails, to 2017, where she was doing like.
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Is that a Kickstarter, maybe?
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One of those, one of those fundraisers, one of those things.
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Yeah, I've done both at different times, having her book translated into Spanish.
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And yeah, tell everybody a little bit about your books.
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Which was your newest book?
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Well, I'll tell you which is my best-selling book and my award-winning book, which is women's anatomy of arousal not when they're in the middle and that yeah yeah, that's the truth about female genital anatomy that not only your uh doctor doesn't know, you're probably your sex educators don't know and, um, certainly most people don't know.
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So it's all the parts, um that come in the standard female bio body, um and uh, all the, including the ones you've never heard of and uh.
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So that's, that's my big one, that's the one that's really um made a big difference for a lot of people, absolutely great.
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And second one, sex craft is your hands-on guide to erotic play and practice.
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It's how to become an erotic virtuoso, whatever your plumbing, whatever your energy, whatever whoever you partner with, including yourself.
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And then I uh contributed significantly to a book my husband wrote called Secrets of the Sex Masters, which he interviewed a variety of experts about a variety of things and I'm one of the experts and I also helped him edit it, figure out what to do with it.
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Are they master debaters?
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Well, that's an interesting question, because if they were masturbators, that would mean they were polluting themselves with their hands.
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So probably not the word I like to use.
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I was on the debate team in high school, so we called ourselves master debaters.
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It was fun.
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It was fun when I was 16 and 17.
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So, sherry, we don't ever want to promote a billionaire, so no to amazon.
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Where can we find your books?
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well, you, can go to my website.
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That's the easiest way to do it.
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Um, and that's intimate arts centercom center spelled the american way, and you can get them there.
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Also, many independent bookstores have it or can order it for you, and I'm sure there's some used copies floating around.
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You can also request it from your library if your library doesn't carry it.
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I'd really like to encourage that.
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And what else?
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Yeah, on my website you can find lots of other great stuff.
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Like, there's a ton of blogs about what we're talking about that are free, and so, in fact, as we're discussing male genital anatomy, I'd encourage people to go look at the blog post, the Substack post, wherever it's on both places, because you're going to see some drawings.
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I did the anatomy drawings also.
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I'm also an artist.
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I'll throw that in there, because I think it really helps to see a visual of the anatomy.
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So I would encourage people to go visit it for no other reason than to just look at the anatomy illustrations.
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That's awesome.
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I'm curious.
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I didn't know that Carl was your husband.
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So you know hearing, you know that you say that.
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Now, knowing that there's two like sexperts, uh, in a relationship, I bet you people are wondering.
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So I'm just gonna ask, like, what's what's sex like is?
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Is vanilla vanilla, or are we talking like there's always something fun and interesting going on and you don't have to answer.
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It's a great question.
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I'll tell it anything.
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I'm I'm not shy.
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So first I will say we've been together almost 20 years and when we first got together I was the sexpert and he was just a guy.
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Actually it created some challenges really, because he said to me sometimes you're using your teacher voice, not a turn on.
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That can be hot, yeah.
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In certain ways.
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Sure, but in the sort of more day-to-day sex he didn't find it hot, in fact.
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So one of the things was really learning Actually I think this goes for any couple is we need to learn each other, and while I had huge advantage in that, being that I was a sexpert and had all this experience, I also had to learn how to share that with him in a way that was welcoming and erotic, as opposed to I'm telling him what to do and telling him he's doing it wrong.
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And so I got a lot better at that and along the way he wound up editing my book and then he, you know, then he got to move to all these different conferences and events, and so he's a writer, and so he wound up kind of going down that path for a bit, but now he's on a completely other path.
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Meanwhile, back to the sex, what I would say in terms of so when we first got together, when we first sat together, we couldn't leave the house for like a year.
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We could barely get out of the hallway, right.
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We were both 20 years younger, so I just have to add that it was insane.
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We were having amazing sex and um and, and that was part of what obviously drew us together.
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Uh, then we got to the point where we could actually leave the house and we realized that that we would have these huge fights.
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We were.
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We were both very powerful people and I think we were both used to being in relationship with people who were less powerful.
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Um, and neither of us said lars how to share that or take turns with that.
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Um, so we had to figure that out so that we could have as good a relationship as our sex was.
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Now it's 20 years later.
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We're're 20 years older.
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Things obviously calm down, because they just do, naturally anyway.
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But we're dedicated to trying to keep things fun and to keep things interesting and to figuring out just how to accommodate the changes in age.
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And things are definitely not.
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We're not ripping each other's clothes off in the hallway anymore.
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We're more like let's schedule it when we both have time off and nothing else, you know, going on.
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So it definitely takes that and I think it just.
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I think it takes consciously choosing to go there now, right, so it's not like I'm so horny I'm going to rip his clothes off, because postmenopausally that just doesn't, doesn't happen for me anymore.
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So I like to say to people who are in a similar place in their lives, where your hormones are no longer there's like not a fire underneath my pot of water there used to be.
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There was always fire under my pot of water.
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It was always close to boiling.
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Anything would happen and the fire would go and the water would boil.
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Now, for both of us really, I think we have to choose it.
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We have to say I'm going to go out and collect some wood and I'm going to build a fire and I'm going to boil my water, and whether it's with my solo sex or my partner sex, it definitely takes making a conscious choice.
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And thank goodness I know all the things I know, because it makes it a lot easier to know how to collect the wood and make a fire Right, which a lot of people don't know how to do.
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That.
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How do you get that thing going?
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I love that metaphor.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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Well, you know, here's the other thing the more often you boil your water, the easier it is to boil it again.
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If you ignore it, it gets colder and colder and eventually just kind of freezes.
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And we think about the terminology of women who have lost their libido.
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It's frigid, right, it's a horrible word, it's a horrible image, but I understand it metaphorically, which means if you're not running that in, if you're not circulating it and getting it going, it gets harder and harder to do.
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So if you want to keep it going with yourself, with your partner, make the conscious choice.
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And if it takes scheduling and planning, that's fine.
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There's nothing wrong with sex no longer being a spontaneous activity, you know, and anyone who's busy or has kids or is a certain age or certain time in your life that planning for it can be part of the erotic charge.
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Absolutely, you can let part of that buildup be.
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You know, on Saturday we're having a date, aren't we?
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Yes, I also.
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I know it's really trite or whatever, but I like the metaphor about the crockpot versus the microwave oven, for example.
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Just especially as you get into menopause, just the warm-up is going to be a little bit longer the phase, as opposed to, just like you know, you got to get a little more warmed up in the crock pot, so you're gonna let it simmer for a little while before you just jam it in there absolutely, and I think actually for a lot of male-bodied people that actually slows down for them as well, and so it can take them longer to get aroused, to get an erection.
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Erections are less assured, they may come and go and they may wax and wane, and so slowing down for everybody's sake can be a good thing.
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And I guess when I was younger I just didn't think my body and my sexuality were going to change that much.
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Like I don't know, like you became an adult and you thought, well, this is what I got and this is how it's going to be.
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And that is just not the case.
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There are changes and they can be dramatic.
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And again like my second book, the Secular Sex Craft, where I help people learn how to be a neurotic virtuoso, how to use all of your tools, all that stuff you got to get turned on and have orgasms and keep them strong and powerful, becomes even more essential when maybe parts of your body aren't working so well, you're dealing with fuzziness or you're tired.
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So those are great skills to acquire at any point in life, but particularly useful I think, as you get older, don't you have an ebook people can download?
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Yeah, yeah, Sex craft, maybe Sex craft.
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No, I think that there's an orgasmic abundance.
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That's it.
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Orgasmic abundance a little ebook.
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So if you go to Intimate Arts Center so arts is plural, i-n-t-i-m-a-t-e arts and then C-E-N-T-E-Rcom, you can get for free her ebook.
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Thank you, thank you for that.
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And her, um, yeah, her ebook.
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Thank you thank you for that.
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And there's tons of blogs and a couple of video blogs and there's just all kinds of really great info just to get for free on the website thank you.
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That's so, so generous of you.
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So what got us talking about interviewing you was your email about the the penis actually, which we don't talk a lot about on here uh, only because I don't know about you.
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I never really worried about the penis actually, which we don't talk a lot about on here, Only because I don't know about you.
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I never really worry about the penis in the room because almost always they know how to make things happen for themselves and I don't really stress out about too much.
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But I am aware that there's a lot of other areas around the penis and that there's probably an area that we should spend a little bit of time on out of respect for the penis.
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So we would love to learn everything that you have to learn.
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Teach us about the penis and all the pleasure it's capable of.
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Well, I'm delighted to talk about the penis because, honestly, mostly I talk about pussies, like people are like oh, it's the vagina, lady.
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So it's great to get a chance to talk about penises and we do have this kind of cultural idea that we know penises, we know how they operate, they're easy to operate and, honestly, if you'd asked me when I was 16, I was like, yeah, piece of cake, not much to figure out here.
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As people age or have health issues or on medications, that becomes a little more complex.
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And also I don't want to reduce people who have penises to kind of a.
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It's a simple on-off switch.
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You flick it because on and while that may operate that way a lot of the time, that's not all there is to it.
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So obviously it's connected to a body and a person and so sex is holistic, it's about all of us.
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So it's not just about the genitals, it's not just about the equipment, although I'm going to focus on that for the moment but I just really want to acknowledge that things are not quite as simple.
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Obviously, female genitalia is more complex and a lot of it's hidden and there's a lot we don't know, a lot we don't know, but I think there's a bunch of things we don't really understand about the penis as well.
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So, yay, penises, so a penis.
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We think of the penis I mean, there's so many different things to talk about.
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We think of the penis as just the part that sticks out from the body, which is about two thirds of the penis.
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The rest of the penis is attached.
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It's under the perineum.
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So if you are playing with a penis, whether it's your own or a friend's, it's really great to explore the whole length of the penis, including the attached part.
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So that's number one.
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Obviously also, we've got the balls, and the balls are extremely sensitive and so much fun to play with, like stress balls, you know, I mean how relaxing to just play with them like that.
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But these are pretty obvious parts that most people haven't found.
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What might you not have found is some internal parts.
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So male bodies come with a prostate, which we've all heard of.
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Female bodies come with a urethral sponge.
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It's the same tissue embryologically.
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The urethral sponge in the female body is what people are calling the G-spot, which is not a spot.
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It's somewhat incorrect but nonetheless.
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But whatever your biological sex, you have a male or female prostate, and the prostate is a very interesting structure because it is made of erectile tissue, just like the rest of the penis, and it's also glandular.
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It makes stuff in our bodies Now the male prostate.
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You really can't get to it unless you go inside the male body and of course that is something which our culture is so freaked out about.
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Everybody's got the asshole and in fact, on the hip parade of nerve endings, how many nerve endings you have is an indicator of how sensitive something is, how much pleasure you can get from it.
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On the hip parade of nerve endings, our genitals are number one, the anus is number two.
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That's a lot of pleasure potential and a lot of people aren't going to go there because we have so much cultural shame around the anus.
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I like to call it the equal opportunity hole.
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Everybody gets the same amount of nerve endings there, exactly.
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That's a lot, it's the same amount of nerve endings there.
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Exactly, that's a lot.
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I often tell people that if you don't want to go inside, you really just don't want to, for whatever reason.
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I feel, like that area, the perineum or perineum, sometimes there's something that kind of starts to protrude a little bit there, like maybe it gets hardened, and I'm thinking that's the urethral sponge.
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And I noticed that for some men they that area a little pressure on.
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I'm wondering are we kind of like massaging the prostate from the?
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outside we are in fact, in daoist sexual practices they call that spot the million dollar point.
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Well, they weren't probably referring to it in dollars, the million yen point, I don't know.
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Um, the translation is the million dollar point, and it's a fun place to play with.
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You can just put pressure on it with just a thumb.
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You can put your whole fist up against the perineum again, actually, whatever your plumbing is, and just press um so you can access it from the outside of the body.
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Um, and if you, if you put your finger there, you'll usually be able to find a pulse and then you can play with that.
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Another fun thing to play with.
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And then, as far as the anus goes, again, you don't have to go in.
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You can still even play with the outer part, which is extremely sensitive.
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You want to use good sexual hygiene, which means that anything that touches in or around the anus now should not touch any other genitals.
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Easy way to do that is put on a nitrile glove, get some lube.
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You can have one, a hand for the back, a hand for the front.
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I like gloves personally, maybe because I was a medical professional for a long time.
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But it's so easy you put on a glove, you do what you're doing.
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When you're done, you take the glove off.
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You have a little garbage receptacles, you can put it someplace and you know, no harm, no foul in terms of risk of spreading bacteria around.
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Now, if you are going to go in and I always like to encourage people if you're trying something new, you might want to try it by yourself first.
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So, for male-bodied people, your own finger, if it's comfortable for you to reach and get your finger in there, or a prostate-stimulating toy is a great way to explore the sensations.
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And you can do that by yourself, without any pressures or expectations or any of the things that happen when we're having partner sex, and you can start to explore what feels good.
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What kind of sensations do you like?
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There are some wonderful toys specifically designed for prostate stimulation.
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If you're learning how to use your pelvic floor muscles and again, everybody's got them equal opportunity muscles, and again, everybody's got them Equal opportunity muscles your genitals are encased and sandwiched between those muscles, so every time you're squeezing and releasing those muscles, you're playing with yourself without using your hands.
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You can use your hands also, right, but you don't even have to, and so, especially in terms of erectile function as well as pleasure.
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Using those muscles can really help.
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They increase the blood flow, they stimulate the nerves and when you get those muscles strong and flexible, you can not only increase your arousal, increase your erection or sustain your erection better, you also can make your orgasms more powerful and last longer.
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I have a question Is it true that men can have a climax with just seminal fluid only, without the being prostatic fluid?
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only without the seminal fluid.
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I wouldn't say that exactly what you can have is an orgasm without any ejaculation.
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There might be men who can separate those two.
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I'm not aware of it.
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The men I know who have practiced can get to a place where you might call ejaculatory choice.
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They can choose whether they wanna release the fluid or whether they wanna have an orgasm without releasing the fluid.
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That's fascinating.
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Yeah, it is right.
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And then, if you learn how to do that, you can have multiple orgasms.
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So if you're partnered with a woman who can have multiple orgasms, then you could have multiple orgasms together and you can culminate in an ejaculatory orgasm or not.
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For a lot of Taoist practitioners, they believe that retaining the semen is one of the keys to long life, that retaining the semen is one of the keys to long life.
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So I know some people who are lifelong practitioners of the Taoist erotic arts who rarely ever ejaculate.
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Let's take a minute to explain Taoist, because it sounds like you're saying Taoist like the city.
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You're really big orgasms, texas size.
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But would you mind explaining a little?
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bit about Taoism.
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Yeah, thank you Would you mind?
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explaining to us a little bit about Tao.
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D-A-O.
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Yeah, thank you.
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So it's an ancient belief system based kind of on the ideas of yin and yang, that everything is not just in balance but in flow, and so the classic yin-yang symbol is kind of the symbol.
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It's actually more of a philosophy than a religion.
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Different people have different relationships with that set of beliefs.
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In this case I'm talking about people who have incorporated this into their lifestyle and how they eat, how they live and how they have sex, and it's spelled T-A-O and it's pronounced Tao.
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Big topic.
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Yeah, that's helpful.
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Thank you, that's perfect.
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But I'll just say for men who want to learn that that's probably the best place to go to learn how to have male multiple orgasms.
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If you want to learn that, that's probably the best place to go to learn how to have male multiple orgasms.
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If you want to learn that and the men I know have learned how to do it are pretty happy about it, but it does seem to take a while.
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It seems like it's harder for men to learn to not ejaculate than for women to learn to have orgasms and to have multiple orgasms.
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I think men are like ejaculation ninjas they learn how to do it so early on, in a certain way as fast as possible, so they don't get caught.
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And so I think they do kind of get into that rhythm and it's like trying to undo that rhythm.
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It's like that's probably going to take a while.
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It's true.
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I think also one of the things the problem with training for sprints is that you at some point are going to get with a partner, particularly if you have a partner who wants you to last quite a while.
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So you can get into that arousal state.
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You can get an erection but not feel like you've got to rush to jump off the diving board and have that orgasm.
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Spread that out.